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One year into the global pandemic, with vaccines on the horizon, The New Normal podcast explores how far we’ve come – by looking back at where we started.

In episode 17, host Maydianne Andrade, a professor at the University of Toronto Scarborough and Canada Research Chair in Integrative Behavioural Ecology, revisits the debut episode of the podcast, which was recorded shortly after the pandemic abruptly changed our lives.

“No one was talking to each other,” Andrade observes. “It was almost like we were afraid that conversation would spread the virus. It was almost like we didn't know what to do or say in this strange new world.”

The New Normal is created in collaboration with a University of Toronto Communications team led by Lisa Lightbourn. You can  or . You can also  or .